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Taurucis · Jul 21, 2008, 02:04 AM // 02:04

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

lol'd. video game stereotypes for the win. serious business here, folks!

Just as ranked people avoid me because I don't have rank 6, I avoid ranked people because they do.

Lykan · Jul 21, 2008, 02:04 AM // 02:04

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Originally Posted by dilan155

and how do you suggest the OP gain any fame? playing sway and such shitty builds scarping together 1-2 fame per run because any team can beat sway? im genuinely curious

Yes pretty much like everyone else.

Infectious · Jul 21, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Another take on the usual "QQ WHY WONT TEH R9+ TAKE MEH WEN I IZNT RANKED??!??!?"
Nice

No ranked means nothing, most pugs suck regardless of rank.

Shadowspawn X · Jul 21, 2008, 02:15 AM // 02:15

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Rank does mean something to me. The higher one's rank, the less respect I have for the person.

You need help man, such angry bitter emotions targeted at strangers in a video game.....

Taurucis · Jul 21, 2008, 02:18 AM // 02:18

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

You need help man, such angry bitter emotions targeted at strangers in a video game.....

Learned response. Most of the irritating people I have met on GW have been the high ranked ones.

If someone introduces himself to me by sticking a tiger in my face and saying "lol pve noob" I'm not really inclined to reply with something civil.

Killed u man · Jul 21, 2008, 02:30 AM // 02:30

Rank means experience. (Take ebay/buying fame out of the equation)

Rank 10 swayer has more experience than a R3 "balanced" player. (No balanced in HA, but let's assume legoway, D/E spam, other gimmick, IS balanced)

At the end of the day, the R10 swayer DOES know how to run a Relic, how to body block (Maybe not, but atleast knows the basics), how to do certain things.

Offcourse, rank most definatly doesn't mean skill, as the majority of the R10+ population in HA right now, is nothing more than Rspikers, ritspikers, swayers, legowayers, etc... (And I mean non-callers, a caller pretty much carries the group in these builds, besides button-bash, that is a non-brainer for everyone)

Today, I saw a R12 guy (Most people know him, and also know he got 99% of his fame playing Expell Rit in sway) play Rit-b!tch for a lego-ish way.
He was alone vs another rit (from a sway) in a base on cap points.
The rit from the sway (prolly unranked) takes out his wand, and wands the R12 guy to death. The R12 guy franticly tried to "spear" the Expell Rit. He simply didn't have a wand. (Not even for WoW or anything).
(HE also just stood still, and got owned by A-rage every time)

I'm just making a point here:

Rank means experience, not skill. The problem is that most HA'ers, mainly because they did in fact shit-build'ed their rank, think that Rank means skill.
If you get rank descriminated, form your own groups, it's that simple. If you think you can't call your own groups, then you should understand why people won't take you in the first place.

YOU got to make the first move, not someone else.

Dark-NighT · Jul 21, 2008, 02:43 AM // 02:43

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Ever tried to join a DoA pug below R10 : \? Not much different, really.

Honestly, rank doesn't mean anything to me. If anything, it's to show that you've "been in the game" for awhile on now. But I will say I'm a bit impressed when I see someone's phoenix.

Yeah i did, cleared the whole lot with my r8 norn title, it isnt that hard.

Yeah sure r10 will do more damage but what the F right, ursan is overpowered already so a few points wont hurt general gameplay.

But personally i hate it that people want rank x only, probably the main reason why i never do HA.

HawkofStorms · Jul 21, 2008, 02:49 AM // 02:49

No. Never has been, and this late into the game's life cycle it is only worse (especially after double fame weekends).

Rank is flawed because it is not based on the ELO system (like the guild rating and HvH rating is, based on the mathematical system orignally developed to rank chess masters). Rank should go up if you win, down if you lose, based on the rank of your oppenents. That way, you can't just grind repeatedly. Without a way to lose rank, there is no way to properly judge skill level.

If you only win 5% of your HA matches, you clearly are a terrible player/in bad teams a lot. But if you've played 5000 matches, you can grind yourself up to having a respectable rank.
If you win 70% of your HA matches, but have only played... 120 times, you look like a bad player and a noob compared to the guy who grinded away for his rank.

silavor · Jul 21, 2008, 02:52 AM // 02:52

HA is a cycle of death, much like the Jade Quarry. In order to get rank, you need to win. In order to win, you need to be in a high-ranked group, because PUGs without rank almost always lose on the first round. In order to be in a high-ranked group, you need rank. In order to get rank, you need to win.

And that is the reason I never play HA. Also, HA guilds or pvp-only guilds still require you to have some rank just to get in. Which means you need to win to get the rank. Which means you need to be in a high-ranked group. Which means you need rank.

So in short, HA has already shot itself in the head, and one day will be so dead that unranked people have a chance to win. Thus giving them rank, allowing them to remake the high-rank groups, which will require rank, which requires you to win to get the rank, which means you need to already have fame to get into the high-ranked groups, and the stupidity of HA grows even more. ^_^

Mr. Undisclosed · Jul 21, 2008, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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Does rank mean anything to you?

Only z rank.

Aera Lure · Jul 21, 2008, 03:05 AM // 03:05

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Rank should go up if you win, down if you lose, based on the rank of your oppenents. That way, you can't just grind repeatedly. Without a way to lose rank, there is no way to properly judge skill level.

This is perfect, and I couldnt agree with you more.

That said, I still stick to my post in terms of the way rank currently is within GW, since it is not set up in the way you describe and we have to work with what we have, like it or not. Higher ranks can generally be assumed to have more experience, especially when you get over rank 5 or 6. Its not always true, and in no way distinguishes actual skill as you point out, but its still the best indicator of determining some level of PvP experience among strangers when trying to form a PUG group for HA or to get into a decent PvP guild. I otherwise think rank is meaningless. Means nothing to PvE players. It also really holds no value once within a PvP guild, since everyone knows everyone else, their actual skill level regardless of rank, their ability to listen and be an asset to a team, etc.

MMSDome · Jul 21, 2008, 03:09 AM // 03:09

Yea it sucks but really you can't blame them. People don't really want to take chances so that is why there is rank discrimination. People want to win right away and with a low ranked person you cant always be sure you will win.

Yea it sucks but you need to understand it from their point of view.

Winterclaw · Jul 21, 2008, 03:12 AM // 03:12

I've pretty much abandoned pvp in GW for now as I don't have the time I need to get good at it. If I wanted to go pvp now, all I know is my lack of rank is something of a noob barrier I'd have to invest time in to get past so I can more easily do fun HA... that's all rank means to me at the moment.

**cosyfiep** · Jul 21, 2008, 03:15 AM // 03:15

rank has no meaning to me at all...the people who use it are not people that I usually game with---I dont pvp, gvg, etc.....

its useless in my opinion.

Bryant Again · Jul 21, 2008, 03:17 AM // 03:17

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Originally Posted by Miss Presler

Yeah i did, cleared the whole lot with my r8 norn title, it isnt that hard.

Yeah sure r10 will do more damage but what the F right, ursan is overpowered already so a few points wont hurt general gameplay.

But personally i hate it that people want rank x only, probably the main reason why i never do HA.

Oh I'm definitely saying that it can't be done. Ursan is indeed powerful enough. It's just that pugs generally want you to be as reliable as possible, so as to decrease the margin of error. This can be easily seen in a maxed Norn title; at that point you're the best you can be. But standards are harder to set in HA.

But either way, titles are always and indicator.

Kerwyn Nasilan · Jul 21, 2008, 03:17 AM // 03:17

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Originally Posted by dilan155

and how do you suggest the OP gain any fame? by buying it with in game money? by buying it online? playing sway and such shitty builds scarping together 1-2 fame per run because any team can beat sway? im genuinely curious

Join a newbie (not nooby) PvP guild? There are plenty of them.
Play the "shitty" builds while gaining basic PvP skill/map knowledge.
Play late/early when the areas are more empty
The list gos on and on

uzumaki · Jul 21, 2008, 03:20 AM // 03:20

rank doesnt equate to skill thats for sure and the only thing it shows/means is ha experience NOT pvp skill ~~ for real i have a decent amount of ha exp and i have freinds who swayed their entire fame r9/10 + and some of the things ive witnessed from high rank players is laughable e.g casters using one weapon set r9+ groups using ooa and grenths avatar (prenerf: enchant removal) against nr/tranq, pd who cant interrupt 1 and 2 second cast snares + many many more things ive seen from high rank ha players but yeah the point is high rank doesnt mean you're good.

On the other hand ive played with players in ta who have no rank or low rank but are really amazing much better than the high ranked players i played with in ha. There are people who play high rated gvg with cape trims who have little or no rank and most probably play alot better than ha'ers. I LOL now when i get ranked whereas before it used to piss me off now when some is like noob im r10 i just say AND WHAT? because you have a higher rank you are automatically better? i don't think so.. you were the warrior who shocked me when i was kd and bull striked me when i was standing still and frenzied when rush wasnt charged and got owned by the backbreaker sin? kthxbye.

rank means nothing ~ how you play means everything.

Tyla · Jul 21, 2008, 03:24 AM // 03:24

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Learned response. Most of the irritating people I have met on GW have been the high ranked ones.

If someone introduces himself to me by sticking a tiger in my face and saying "lol pve noob" I'm not really inclined to reply with something civil.

People like that are people you wouldn't want to play with anyway.

Winterclaw · Jul 21, 2008, 03:26 AM // 03:26

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

But either way, titles are always and indicator.

TBH, the best indicator in HA is see if the person is on your friends list that you've gotten from pugging or someone that friends/guildies can vouch for. I think there used to be threads about people LFG for HA. Don't know if they are still there though.

Bryant Again · Jul 21, 2008, 03:33 AM // 03:33

There are definitely much better indicators, it's just that showing your rank is the easiest.